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WHERE IS THE REAL MOUNT SINAI?(The Return of Jesus linked to Mt. Sinai in Arabia)The Underground#118


hey friends it’s Joel Richardson and this is the underground [Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to this episode of the underground a program that explores the testimony of the biblical prophets the gospel of Jesus Christ current events and all of these things relate to you and me now it’s been several weeks since I’ve been with you all I’ve been extremely busy as usual been working hard on my forthcoming book and we’ve got a lot to catch up on this episode I want to take some time to return to the issue of Mount Sinai now at the beginning of this year I released this book Mount Sinai in Arabia and I also released a 9 class DVD series that goes along with the book the DVD series is really just sort of an expanded version of me talking about everything that’s in the book but what I’ve done in this is I’ve gone through all of the primary archaeological Geographic geologic historical traditional biblical you know all of the different reasons why jeboa laws in Saudi Arabia is absolutely by far the single best candidate for any of the potential Mount Sinai candidates out there and I knew that this would be a controversial subject because there’s really not very much out there that’s not controversial but this has been a very controversial subject and so what I wanted to do is really just put together a book that simplifies all of the primary arguments so that anyone can really wrap their head around the primary arguments and really make an informed decision themselves now I’m excited about this very much because as I’m recording this in a few weeks I’m heading back to Saudi Arabia so I’ve been mentioning this a lot really over the past year and a half it’s been it’s been the issue that the Lord has had me on it’s been the mission if you will that the Lord has had me parked on and not just the issue of Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia but the book that I’m working on again just to give you an update it’s taken me longer than any other book that I’ve ever worked on I’m more excited about it probably than any other book that I’ve written and it addresses the issue of the return of Jesus it addresses the larger story of the unfolding of messianic prophecy throughout the Scriptures but how it all culminates of course with the coming of the Lord with the return of the Messiah the coming of the king but specifically how the return of Jesus relates to and is founded upon the story of the Exodus and it’s it’s really amazing I mean I’ve talked about it a bit I’ve actually just posted a sermon which is sort of me just touching on this issue on my youtube channel so you can watch that as well if you sort of want the giveaway at the end of the book if you want to see where it’s all going you can get a pretty good overview by watching that sermon but the book is much more than that so in any case this is just what the Lord’s had me parked on now let me just say this if you have not gotten a copy of this book go to Joel’s trumpet com that’s my website and of course when you go there if you really want to bless the ministry sign up to be part of the newsletter if you’re watching this sign up to be part of the youtube channel sign up to be part of the newsletter because you can get updates and information in terms of different things that we’re doing so we’ve got the book on the store we’ve also got the DVD and I’ve also got some kind of neat specials where I’ve created these commemorative coins that have a picture of the split rock of Moses on one side in my ministry logo on the other this is to commemorate the opening up of Mount Sinai in our day so we’ve got a special bundle where you can get the book in the coin or the DVD in the coin or you can just get the coin on its own and this sort of thing and and so there’s some neat yeahjust bundles to make it cheaper but go to my store and make sure you get yourself a copy now Before we jump into today’s discussion I want to mention something which is say that we also we’ve mentioned this I think I’ve mentioned this a little bit but we also myself and my good friend Dalton Thomas he’s the director of FAI Frontier Alliance international we’re actually also going to be doing the first Christian tours ever to Iraqi Kurdistan we’re gonna be doing this in 2020 at the end of March now we’ve mentioned this but we haven’t really opened it up for more information go to legacy tours dot org this is gonna be a super cool trip again up to Kurdistan northern Iraq my guess is it will be because it’s the first it’ll be a smaller tour a bit more of an intimate tour so myself and dalton thomas and we went earlier this year dalton and i and our tour agent rhonda and sort of explored all of the sites sort of did a preliminary of the tour and it’s gonna be super cool so what are we gonna do what are we gonna talk about this week this week we are going to talk about the location of Mount Sinai the real Mount Sinai and what we’re gonna do is look at several of the different candidates and we’re gonna weigh each candidate I just thought this would be kind of a neat little exercise just to sort of refresh our memory so let’s talk about it let’s talk about where is the real Mount Sinai so what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna look at again several candidates and then we’re gonna weigh each candidate against various Geographic hints and indicators within the scriptures and by no means is this a comprehensive analysis of this that would take literally months I mean it’s a very complicated issue to you know work through all of these little landmarks and names and locations and there’s times that it seems contradictory and you go back and forth and this sort of thing but we’re gonna look at some of the primary some of the important Geographic hints that are within scripture and then there’s these these criteria these geographic criteria and we’re gonna say what about this mountain does that fulfill you know could that be that real Mouse and so it’s kind of any exercise so first of all some argue let’s look at some of the different candidates some argue that the real Mount Sinai could be in the land of edom now when I say this there’s some discrepancy in terms of where Edom is and most recently my friend dr. Michael Heizer has been arguing for this that the real Mount Sinai he won’t say which mountain he thinks it is but it’s somewhere in the rant in the land of Edom now if you look at his maps he has Edom as a very small area so I’ve got a map here that kind of gives you an idea of what he means by Edom now I would argue that when we look at for instance Ezekiel 25 which admittedly was sometime later after the exodus but Edom was defined as being from T man in the North to D Dan in the south so D Dan is a few hundred miles into Saudi Arabia which means it’s probably several times Edom by the time of Ezekiel as well as Jeremiah has a very similar reference limiting Edom from teman to D Dan it was several times larger than this sort of limited region of Edom and other than that you know it’s some of it is just speculation I mean we know it was south of Moab but we don’t know how far south it went during the time of the Exodus but we do know that during Ezekiel’s day it was much much larger than this but for the sake of argument we’re just gonna stick with for instance Darian and you’ll see this in a lot of Bible atlases and so forth it’s kind of just an assumption again we don’t know but we’re gonna work from this assumption so that’s one that’s one candidate again just vaguely there somewhere in the land of Edom Menasha RL he’s an Israeli archaeologist he argues for a mountain called jebel sin Bashar so that is over there on the western side of the Sinai Peninsula now interestingly enough Gordon Franz Gordon Franz has been far and away the single most vote critic of Jebel Ella’s as the real Mount Sinai this is also the mountain that he chooses in Champions and he thinks as the real Mount Sinai so he’s taken the position of Menasha heart l as we’ll see this mountain is completely completely untenable it just does not work with the biblical record you would have to reject the Bible as the Word of God if you wanted to accept this as the real Mount Sinai as we’ll see another candidate Emanuel and naughty he’s an Italian archaeologist up there in years he argues for har kharkom which is in Israel it’s actually in Israel today it’s in the Negev down there in the southern Negev desert and a good friend of mine is actually working on her PhD and this is her thesis that she believes that it’s har har Combe as well you know I I sympathize I think with a lot of her arguments and so forth but I also I feel like it also has a lot of problems and again Emanuel Linate is just you know convinced now again we’re not dealing with archaeology in this we’re just simply dealing with geography so that’s another candidate and you can see that’s there you know north of alot down there in the southern Israeli Negev James K Hoffmeyer and David Rohl James K Hoffmeyer a true Egyptologist David Rohl kind of a renegade scholar they both hold to the traditional site so the traditional site is down there this is Jebel Musa as it will often be called down there in the southern the the pizza shaped peninsula in between Egypt and the Arabian Peninsula interestingly enough this mountain has a tradition that goes back to about the fourth century when the Egyptian monks the Egyptian Christian monks were going out there into the desert and when you go back and you go well when did this idea come along it was not until the 4th century that you find these monks pointing to this particular mound as the real Mount Sinai and then in the fifth century Emperor Justinian built st. catherine’s monastery down there which exists it stands to this day but it was essentially a it was essentially a fortress to protect the monks who kept getting killed by some of the local Bedouin or the the Saracens or whatever you wanna call them these were these pre-islamic local Arabs down there in the desert that kept killing the monks and so Justinian built the fortress built the monastery which has come to sort of it was from that time forward because you go why is this the traditional site because you had the Roman Empire stamp of approval from that time forward and so that’s the traditional site and then of course others argue for jebel all laws are Gible alou’s which means the mountain of almonds in arabic and here it is down there in Saudi Arabia northwest Saudi Arabia where I place this triangle here it’s actually a little bit south of that I guess I just didn’t want to put it right on top of where I had already embedded Midian but it’s down there to the east of the Gulf of Aqaba to the east of the Red Sea so these are the primary candidates that we’re gonna look at and now we’re gonna weigh each of these candidates against the biblical criteria so first of all number one the real Mount Sinai has to be outside of the promised land right because Israel came up out of Egypt and they were wandering around in the desert for 40 years and the Lord was very clear that Moses would never enter the Promised Land so you can’t say that Mount Sinai was in the promised land and then say they were wandering around the mountain and say that Moses never entered the promised land right if it’s in the promised land this becomes a big big problem now the question is what is the Promised Land we’re not talking modern-day Israel the State of Israel we’re saying what is the biblical definitions of the Promised Land well first of all Exodus 23 verse 31 has a pretty clear statement it’s a very general statement it says I will set your borders from the Red Sea okay that’s the Gulf of Aqaba to the see of the Philistines what’s the see of the Philistines that’s the Mediterranean so from alack modern-day eel at up to the sea of the Philistines and then vaguely from the desert that’s the desert in the south up to the Euphrates in the north so now we’re talking up including much of modern-day Lebanon in even parts of Syria now what people do sometimes they look at this and they say well the entire Euphrates they follow it all the way over to Iraq that’s not what it’s saying it’s saying that in the north the Euphrates in the north is sort of the northernmost extent of the promised land down to the desert which is fairly vague from Eilat the tip of the Gulf of Aqaba up to the sea of the Philistines now you have several other places in the scriptures which help us to understand together when we look at these all together the biblical definition of the boundaries of the promised land first of all Genesis 15 this is the Abrahamic covenant when the Lord said you know Abraham I’m gonna give you this land and it’s the land of the Hittites the pair you know he goes through all of the ice the key nights the girgashites you’re gonna have all of their land but he defines it largely tribally and so it’s difficult to know exactly where these people were all located elsewhere you have numbers 34 3 through 5 you have Joshua 15 1 through 4 then you have a zekiel 47 and 48 now Ezekiel 47 48 is really millennial but you know the question is is there a difference in the Millennium between the boundaries of the promised land versus premillennial and I would argue that really you can put these all together and so we’re not going to go through each one in great detail again that would be an entire program but what a few of them mention is wadi el al rish or the river of Egypt or the brook of Egypt and so this is a Wadi or a Brook that if you go south of the gaza or south west of the gaza you’re moving over toward port saeed in egypt you get to this Wadi and some people say the brook of Egypt or the river of Egypt would have actually been the easternmost burn inch of the Nile so they move it all the way over right up to the border of Egypt a lot of other scholars say it’s Wadi all Irish let’s just say I lean toward Wadi Allah rish so let’s just say that’s the case well here’s a map loosely I mean the map the lines may not have been perfectly straight because when you read some of the definitions it will say up here and then over to here and so it may kind of jut and move and we can’t be exactly sure but basically this is what we’re looking at we’re looking at from the Dead Sea down to the tip of the Gulf of Aqaba and then from the Gulf of Aqaba again alot up to Wadi ala riche and you can follow Wadi ala riche again like a river like a dry Wadi up there through the desert up to the sea of the philistines again the Mediterranean so this is basically the southernmost boundaries again according to Exodus 23 of the promised land okay so with this in mind let’s look at the various candidates and say which one works which one doesn’t so first of all if it’s within the land of Edom dr. Heiser’s theory does that work well yes that works it’s outside of the promised land so we give that a red checkmark and then Jeb Olsen Bashar Menasha ha el Gordon Franz is theory yes that’s most certainly outside of the promised land even if the promised land extended all the way over there to port Saeed that would that would work we give it a red checkmark what about har kharkom this is a big problem in my opinion for har kharkom if if Exodus 23 is defining the promised land which it I mean it says I will set your boundaries then there’s a problem for our cocoon because it’s clearly within and it’s within even the modern State of Israel which doesn’t go all the way over to Wadi ala rish it’s clearly within the promised land which means if that’s Mount Sinai then Moses entered the promised land and God I mean Scriptures are contradictory and that becomes a huge problem now in talking to my friend Deb who’s who’s working on her PhD on this she suggested that exodus 20:3 is really just sort of a generalized greater Israel but it’s not really giving us the boundaries of the promised land she would emphasize some of these other passages the problem is then you’re dealing with names and locations which are not necessarily clear on the other hand the Gulf of Aqaba the Red Sea it is clear we know exactly where that is there’s no debate and so I would argue that this is probably a pretty big problem for ARCIC room as the real Mount Sinai so unfortunately we give our cocoon a big X on this particular criterion what about the traditional site well yes the traditional site Jebel Musa is well outside of the Promised Land so we give it a red checkmark and then finally jebel all laws again like the traditional site like Jeb Olsen Bashar like Edom outside of the promised land so it gets a red checkmark number two number two is Mount Sinai is said to be a 40-day journey from Bear shaiva from Beersheba you can say at any number of different ways because we read in scripture that Elijah went in the food that he had eaten in the strength of the food that he had 18 forty days to Mount Sinai so it seems to indicate that he went on a 40-day journey in the strength of that food that he didn’t eat for 40 days and in the strength of that he went to Mount Sinai okay so with that said we know where Besh Ava is here’s a map we’ve put a green dot for bear shaiva if it’s Edom then the problem here is that to get to eat them within the boundaries of Edom again as defined by dr. Heiser and again a lot of Bible atlases you in it whether it’s the the westernmost extent of Edom or the furthest most eastern extent you’re dealing with roughly 50 to 110 miles in that range which means that Elijah was traveling a little bit over mile one point one point three miles a day up to a little bit less than three miles a day that’s not a 40-day journey you know that moving a mile or a little over mile a day is not much of he’s fleeing for his life from Jezebel and Ahab so you know I always just say this look I’m incredibly out of shape right now but you know I can get up in the morning sometimes before the kids go to school and I can run ten miles or I shouldn’t say run I can trot ten miles and I can do that in less than two hours and I’m not a fast runner I mean I’m an extremely slow runners so you know that’s like 12 13 minute miles you know when you look at people running marathons and they go 20 20 whatever it is six miles or 23 miles I’m not even sure what a marathon is that some of them are running like seven eight mile minutes I mean on average you got to get pretty low just to qualify for the Boston Marathon so they’re running in sometimes two hours they’re running 20 again I should know what a marathon is 20-some odd miles in two hours so they’re killing it I’m going super slow I can do ten miles let’s say in a couple hours and again I’m a slow slow runner I run sometimes barefoot sometimes with very very minimalist running shoes which means I take very short strides I’m not just out there hitting it the idea is that in ancient times even out there in the desert people could easily travel I’m you’re talking with heavy stuff they could easily travel nine miles a day that’s very reasonable you have examples in ancient history where armies carrying heavy things are going like 15 miles a day you can calculate how long it took esra to go from babylon all the way back to israel and you know it’s somewhere between ten miles to 15 miles you could even go as much as you know if you’re really moving or fleeing for your life 20 miles a day the point is this on this particular criteria on a 40-day journey from bare shaiva Edom really has to get an X it it’s way too close I mean it’s like right it’s virtually right next to bear shaiva so we give that Edom candidate an X then you have jebel sin Bashar that’s about 200 miles it’s about 200 miles from Bear shaiva so it’s about five a day that’s reasonable we give it a check it’s certainly you know quite possible again har kharkom that’s about 95 miles or so that’s about two and a half miles a day 2.4 miles per day again similar to the edom theory it’s just too close it just you know as you read it now here’s what you could argue you could say that Elijah went in the strength of that food and he was he was there within a couple days at Mount Sinai and then he just fasted there for 40 days at Mount sana you could argue that the text doesn’t seem to read that way it seems to say that it took him 40 days to get there again I’m not dogmatic on this but if we read it that way then you can allow I mean it could be a you know two miles away and you could just say he just walked right up the street to Mount Sinai and fasted for 40 days but the text seems to indicate that he fled for 40 days so again if that’s is what the text says then in this case we give har kharkom we give it an X the traditional site is roughly 300 miles away from bear shaver that’s about seven point five miles a day certainly reasonable that’s that’s actually quite reasonable working your way down there through the harsh desert we give the traditional site a check and then of course Jeb ol laws about 280 miles relatively similar to the traditional site from bear shave that’s about seven miles a day again we give it a check number three is that the real Mount Sinai has to be just outside the district of Midian it’s on the far side on the other side of the desert outside of Midian now we have to determine where is Midian well first of all just gonna touch on this because it’s pretty interesting again in the Bible Isaiah 60 verses 6 through 7 it’s talking about the restoration of the Messianic Kingdom it’s talking about the kingdom of the Messiah and during that time it says a multitude of camels will cover you that’s the Land of Israel it says the young camels of Midian and ephah all those from Sheba will come they will bring gold and frankincense they will Brea they will bear the good news of the praises of the Lord all the flocks of Kedar will be gathered together to you the Rams of Naboo auth will minister to you they will go up with acceptance on my altar and I will glorify my glorious house so the language here as you have the Kingdom of Israel being restored the Messiah is on the ground his glory has arisen upon Israel and you have this multitude coming up from the region of Midian and ephah Sheba Kedar Novi a–the and they are specifically bringing gold and frankincense now why is all this interesting they’re bringing gifts they’re bringing gifts to rebuild and glorify the house of God in Jerusalem it’s an amazing passage it’s an amazing passage but the names Midian ephah Sheba Kedar and nabiyya off these are all names which together are pointing to the Arabian Peninsula and then specifically gold and frankincense are the treasures of the Arabian Peninsula now yes you could argue that these extend up into southern Jordan you could most certainly do that but really the emphasis of these regions would be specifically modern-day Saudi Arabia all the way down even to Yemen Sheba for instance is often equated with the Queen of Sheba over in Africa and then she would have crossed over into southern the southern tip of Arabia so whether it be the cush cush the people of cush there in Africa but they also extend over to modern-day Yemen and the same is with regard to Sheba so when you have all of these names Midian ephah Sheba Kedar knew by off and then bringing gold this is pointing to Saudi Arabia and so Midian is is again from a biblical perspective is sort of placed down there it’s most certainly on the eastern side of the gulf of aqaba it’s not for instance you can’t move Midian into the Sinai Peninsula you can’t do that biblically at least that would be too majorly make an effort to shoehorn the data to try to manipulate the data to try to make it fit with your particular theory Midian is in all likelihood even from just a biblical perspective east of the gulf of vodka Aqaba most likely there in Saudi Arabia then interestingly enough we have this map and this is a map that was created based on the information put together by a Roman geographer from the first century first century into the second century his name was Claudius Ptolemy a very important figure because he he literally if you go through his geography he works through he essentially creates these longitude latitude a map he grids out the earth he has sort of his own numbers and figures and he creates a map of mountains and rivers and cities and all kinds of things of the ancient world and so when people have created maps of the world based on his geography and here’s such an example he places two cities he has mode Ian and ma diem again they added with the Latinization of whoever created this map but essentially had ma diem and mode Ian and these were two cities he has these as two cities and they were on the eastern side of the Gulf of Aqaba now as you look there he has his Sinai Peninsula is is much smaller than it is in reality but he has it over there on the eastern side of the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aqaba why is why are these two names ma diem and Modi on interesting why are they important well because in the Septuagint which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament whenever you come to the name midian the Septuagint always has one of two variations either mod e’en or mod iam so by when when was the Septuagint translated well they started working on it in 250 BC so you’re talking the third century BC two hundred and fifty years before Jesus so yes this would be twelve hundred years roughly depending when you place the Exodus after the Exodus but a couple hundred years before Jesus Jewish tradition held that Midian was actually two different cities when they had two different names for these two cities madyun and Miriam right and so it’s interesting that Claudius Ptolemy this Roman secular geographer aligns with what was obviously the common view of the whole Second Temple period of this couple hundred years few hundred years both before and after Jesus and the Apostles so then we’re gonna look at a map now this is a Google we’re zooming in on the area east of the gulf of aqaba and i’ve got a green diamond there and it says sinai that’s jebel all laws and then I have a big blue dot which and it says I’ll bad then to the about twenty miles to the west is another blue dot and it says Magna these are two modern-day Saudi Arabian cities you have al bad and Magna again twenty miles apart how bad was on the ancient Arabic or the ancient Arab Caravan route okay so the Arabs the traders the caravans would come up from the south again with the incense the frankincense the gold they’re making their way north up to Syria or they would cut it over to Egypt and right on this major ancient road was in Oasis both al bad and Magna are both Oasis’s or ASIS or OSI however you say and so these are like when you’re there in the area these are the only two natural places where people would have settled the rest of it is largely desolate there are some smudge much smaller o ACC’s ouais singular oases there’s some other there’s some other still I need to look this up because every time I teach I still never know the best way to say it a singular would be Oh a sigh it seems like just doesn’t feel right in case there’s some very small ones but you have these two very significant oasis towns one was right on the major arab caravan route the other one is right on the coast these are the two most natural places where people would have settled like if you just from a geographic or a geologic survey of the whole area you would go where would have ancient peoples settled in these two cities so it’s so fascinating that the area that’s there’s scholarly consensus says this is the region of Midian but it’s fascinating that the place that scholarly consensus places Midian has two towns and then you have this variation in the septuagint you have ma daeun and ma diem and then you see it again in the writings of Claudius Ptolemy the point is this these two towns these two oasis towns would I mean it’s it’s very very likely and very reasonable that these were the places that during Jesus’s day were understood to be Midian ma daeun and ma diem this was the place that Moses had fled okay so with that said let’s look at a couple quotes Philo Philo was a a Jew he had been influenced by Hellenistic philosophy Greek philosophy he was living over there in Alexandria he was also an Old Testament commentator and philosopher and he specifies now again file lived roughly the same time as Jesus a little bit maybe just before Jesus he specifies that Mount Sinai and this is a very important historical witness he specifies that Mount Sinai is the loftiest ie the tallest and the most sacred mountain in the district of Midian so you can look up that larger quotation now again Midian where where did they believe Midian was over there on the eastern side of the Gulf of Aqaba so what is the tallest mountain in the district again according to Philo of Midian so that’s one testimony then also you have Josephus Josephus again a Jerusalemite he’s not over there in Egypt in Alexandria he’s actually there in the land in Jerusalem he’s a historian we all know Josephus Flavius Josephus he recorded the fall of Jerusalem etc and he says this he says now Moses obtain the favor of Jethro who’s Jethro that was his father-in-law Moses married Zipporah Jethro’s daughter and so after he had obtained the favor of Jethro he stayed there where in Midian that’s where Jethro lived and he fed Jethro’s flock but some time afterward taking his station at the mountain called Sinai he drove his flocks there to feed them this is the highest of all the mountains there about so Josephus and Philo two witnesses from the first century so what did what did Jews believe in Jesus’s day what did the Jews believe in the Apostles day they believed that Mount Sinai was the tallest mountain again it’s interesting because you could have this Jerusalem tradition and then also this Alexandrian Jewish tradition from so it’s it’s it’s effective that you have to different parts of the world Jews from two different parts of the region both believed and testified to the same thing this is by the way 300 years well you could say 250 years before this tradition pops up concerning the traditional Mount Sinai so and if you want to take it all the way back to again the early period where the Septuagint was being translated you have a tradition which begins 600 years before the traditional traditions begin with regard to I mean we’re before these traditions start with regard to the traditional site of Mount Sinai down there Jebel Musa 600 years older that’s significant you hardly ever hear anybody those who sort of mock or belittle jabo Lala’s as a legitimate candidate they never mention that it’s the only mountain it’s the only mountain that has this ancient Jewish tradition attached to it and that by far makes it the by far the single best candidate apart from any other reasons whatsoever jabo Lala’s has the best ancient traditional support now here’s a Exodus 3:1 okay not looking at Josephus but looking at the biblical record it says Moses was pastoring the flock of Jethro his father-in-law the priest of Midian and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness now some translations will say the west side but Western he in this context is an idiom for the farside again because the Sun rises in front of you and it sets behind you so oftentimes when it says the western side it means the far side the other side of the desert and he came to Horeb the mountain of God so here’s the biblical testimony the point is that when Moses left Midian he went to the other side of the desert to the far side of the desert and then he arrived at Mount Sinai now obviously he didn’t go west into the the Dead Sea right he went to the far side of the desert so now here’s the question here’s the point is that Josephus and Philo and the Bible say that Mount Sinai is somewhere outside of on the other side of the district it’s it’s within striking distance you know the distance that you would lead sheep a flock of sheep to go feed them outside of Midian we have a reasonably good understanding of where Midian is so with all of this said let’s look at the different candidates okay Edom if Moses was down there in Midian and this is I I think this is pretty big and he was bringing his sheep all the way up there to where for instance dr. Michael Heizer says Edom is then it was roughly a hundred and sixty miles to 200 miles to feed the Sheep but that makes it a 320 to 400 mile round trip is it reasonable to say that Moses would have gone 400 miles or 300 miles 320 miles to feed his sheep when he lived at an oasis when he lived at a place that was a a lush Oasis or that there was another Oasis just 20 miles away I think that’s highly unlikely highly unlikely so we’re gonna give the Edom location an X on this count then what about Jeb Olsen Bashar well you’re talking a 600 plus mile round-trip that’s ridiculous I mean it’s just there’s no way that Moses is gonna go on a 600 mile round trip that’s like yeah I mean that’s like why and it just put it in terms of the United States but except it’s desert I mean that’s just ridiculous Jeb Olson Bashar clearly gets in X huh car come again that’s about a hundred and sixty mile plus trip 320 plus mile round-trip harker Combe gets an ex the traditional site and this is what’s so interesting is you’ll hear folks like David Rohl he’ll you know they’ll say there’s no way that the Israelites would have crossed and gone 300 some odd miles all the way down there to jebel laws but then he’s got Moses going on a 450 maybe you know by the time that you weave your way through the mountains maybe a 500 mile round-trip just to feed the Sheep and that’s no problem in fact in his book he says yeah I’ve seen you know Iranian Shepherds they go hundreds of miles to feed their sheep like maybe in Mongolia or something but I mean it’s not reasonable to say that Moses went all the way up there around the tip of the Gulf of Aqaba and all the way south just to feed the Sheep 400 500 mile round-trip it really forces us to give the traditional site a big X okay what about what about Joe below laws well from I’ll bad which by the way and I didn’t mention this al bad the other name for Al bad in Arabic the locals call it muga al Schwab what does that mean it means the caves of jethro the locals call it Jethro’s house so there’s some more you know local and this goes back with Islamic Arab geographers this goes back a thousand plus years to where they’re pointing to Al bad as the place where Jethro live okay so if that’s where Moses was to get to Jabal al lawz it’s 16 to 25 miles you could even say as much as 30 miles depending on which part of the mountain he was and then that ends up being about a 30 to 50 mile round trip is that reasonable to go feed the sheep that’s still a pretty long hike but it’s reasonable in fact jeboa laws is the only mountain that aligns with the biblical evidence that we have for the location of Midian and it’s reasonable to say still 16 to 25 miles on the other side of the desert that’s very reasonable that’s still a pretty far hike the far side of the desert outside of Al bad and you know when you look at the distance it’s it’s quite a distance it would qualify as the far side of the desert you don’t have to go hundreds of miles to say the far side of the desert in fact to go from Midian to any one of these other locations you would had to have gone through multiple deserts multiple deserts the desert of zin the desert of sin the desert of whore the desert of this the desert of that no it just says the far side of the desert one desert so it’s general terms but again jabo lalas is the only candidate based on this very important criterion that passes it’s the only one that passes okay now we’re gonna look at a very interesting criterion and this is the exodus march what is the exodus march well this is something that dr. Heiser has brought up and interestingly enough he brought it up as in objection to Jeb Allah laws now I have another whole program where I explain the problem some of his really big glaring problems with his argument I recorded that you can look it up on my youtube channel it is a response to dr. Heiser and I probably recorded it in March of 2019 I’m not gonna rehash all of that now in fact what I’m gonna do is point out that Heiser has dr. Heiser has some very valid points that he makes the problem is he takes them too far so let’s look at the texts that this argument is derived from so first of all is Deuteronomy 33 one and two this is the blessing of Moses the man of God who blessed the sons of Israel just before his death Moses said this the Lord comes or the Lord came from Sinai so he’s coming from Sinai and he dawned on them from sea air now sea air is well acknowledged to be a chief mountain in the land of Edom he’s shown forth from mount Paran mount Paran has a handful of different candidates we can only work through all the biblical data and speculate that it’s somewhere in between Mount Sinai in Edom or Mount Sinai in Sierre so he came from the midst of ten and Holy Ones lightning shooting out of his hands it’s it’s this picture of God marching before Israel went through the Exodus and he’s shining forth now I argue that it this is not just an overly dramatic picture of the Exodus this is actually the return of Jesus not gonna get into that not gonna get into that now but what hi dr. Heiser says and I agree with him fully is that what the text is doing here is it’s using parallelisms so Sinai sea air mount Paran these are all parallel isms pointing to the fact that they’re all they all share something very similar it doesn’t mean that they’re the exact same mountain but at the very least they’re all within the same region now the question is what do we mean by the same region he would want to limit them to a very very close region and I would say that this this how close is a very subjective matter I would argue that you can easily demonstrate that Mount Sierre in mount Paran are at least 80 miles apart and likewise Mount Sinai is roughly another 90 miles from what is most likely mount Paran and I would argue that they’re all within the same region of the exodus route they’re all part of the Exodus March and they’re all part of this picture that’s being that’s being painted here in passages like this which is God is shining forth God the return of Jesus but here the coming of God it’s like the rising of the Sun the shining forth of the Sun and you know anybody knows that the shining forth of the Sun it goes in one direction light goes in one direction and it covers a broad area likewise the exodus March which this passage is conveying is a March March begins one place and ends someplace else it covers a area a region and likewise I would also argue that all of these places are within the larger region according to Ezekiel according to the Bible again a different time period but they’re all within the area of Edom I would argue that Heiser’s Edom is probably much too small so first of all I agree that they are parallelisms I just think that he’s forcing this very limited rigid small location and he has no real basis to do that there’s nothing here that says they all have to be you know five miles apart or ten miles apart I’m not sure how far he would allow for but he’s just trying to do that to say that jebel all laws us too far outside but it’s not it’s not again because Perron is at least 70 miles apart from sea air so you can’t say well it’s fair to say Perron is 70 miles from sea air but you can’t say that Mount Sinai is 70 or 80 miles you can’t do that it’s inconsistent the other passage is judges five judges five one through five this is the song of deborah and barak Lord when you went out from sea air again very similar language when you marched from the field of Edom so now it’s using Edom it throws Edom into the mix sea air Edom and Mount Eden I mean Edom and Mount Sierre are used interchangeably oftentimes again as parallelism throughout the Scriptures it says the earthquake the heavens ripped even the clouds dripped water the mountains quaked at the presence of the Lord even Sinai at the presence of the Lord so now again it has Edom Sierra and Sinai all parallel isms but does that mean that they all have to be within a five mile or ten mile or even a 50 mile radius that’s the question then you have Habbakuk three again within this tradition this is the prayer so we have the blessing of Moses the song of deborah and barak now we have the prayer of Habakkuk God comes or God came from t-men the Holy One from mount Paran and then it skips forward toward the end is st. the same picture is being painted again t-men Quran and at the end it says I saw the tents of Kushan in distress the tent curtains of Midian were trembling so what’s interesting there is now it pulls in cush on in Midian now cush scholars don’t know necessarily exactly what’s being said here because this is the only place where cush on is used but some speculate that it’s a very of cush now again as I mentioned earlier cush would have been over there south of Egypt in Africa the African continent but they would have crossed over oftentimes to southern the southern Arabian Peninsula Yemen so if that’s the case if cush if sheba are essentially one of the same then this is pointing to the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula and then it links in just like Isaiah 60 Midian it’s pointing to the region of modern-day Saudi Arabia down there in the Arabian Peninsula and here it’s tying in Perron and t-men which again is the same thing by the way that is zekiel and jeremiah do they talk about Edom and they safe I will lay Edom waist is equal 25 from t men to d-dan d-dan is down there modern-day Al Houla that’s a couple hundred miles into Saudi Arabia self of the Jordanian border so it’s pointing to this this region ok so here’s a quote from dr. Heiser on his a naked Bible podcast he says not only do you have Sinai linked to sea air which I agree it’s linked to sea air which is this Edomite region south of Canaan but we have mount Paran as the place that yahweh came forth from well he says I thought it was Sinai I thought it was Horeb that God came forth from Sinai he says the answer well very well maybe yep all of these terms could apply to the same place I don’t think he’s saying that they are all the same mountain but he kind of does he says they could they could all refer to the same place I think what he means to say is the same region now critics of course want you to split them all up well yeah it’s not just critics it’s you know they are separate places as though they must be different places they don’t have to be different places in theory they could be different places then you’d have conflicting traditions I would disagree you see again he’s holding to this idea that because they are parallel isms they must be very very close in my previous program I quote Eugene Merrill who says because of the stylized nature of these texts they don’t have to be all extremely close and I would agree that you have parallel isms but you have other elements of the text which allow for a much broader region again it’s a March it’s a March March is by definition cover a broad area they start one place and end someplace else it’s the Exodus March we know it started in the south at Sinai and it moved forward toward the promised land we also know that based on the nature of the sunrise it shines forth from one place and it covers a very broad area so all of the imagery all of the history all of the language that’s being used in these text points to a broad area okay so essentially I’ve just given you a summary of why I think Heiser’s being overly rigid now here’s an interesting verse in Deuteronomy chapter 1 1 & 2 these are the words which Moses spoke to all Israel across the Jordan so he’s east of the Jordan in the desert in the Arva opposite tzuf what a tzuf the jung-soo the Red Sea so it says that he was east of the Jordan east of the Continental rift south of the Dead Sea and he’s opposite where he’s near on the other side of the Red Sea and then it says between Paran mount Paran and TOEFL and la bonne and Heslov and diz aha now this is this is an example where you know you have all these names and it becomes very complicated he was in between Perron and someplace else he was near the young tzuf and then it says this where he was is an eleven days journey from Mount Horeb on the way the road that goes up toward Mount Seir and car desh Barnea okay so Kadesh Barnea is the place that they were at just before they entered the promised land sea air we we are pretty confident is to the east of the Dead Sea close to modern-day Petra very close to modern-day Petra in southern Jordan but it says that Mount Horeb to the place that they were which was on the road heading up toward Kardash Barnea in Sierre was an eleven-day journey now again let’s just go on the the small side let’s say an eleven-day journey is eight or nine miles okay an eleven-day journey means that we’re dealing with about a hundred mile distance from Horeb to where they were near the tip of tzuf near Paran even if you move them even if you move them 20 30 miles north of of alot heel off the Gulf of Aqaba the red sieve let’s say you move you say Moses was 30 miles north you still have that’s about the perfect distance down to Jeb Wallace is about I want to say about 80 miles from the border of Jordan down to Jeb oh Allah is about 80 miles so this becomes a huge problem for dr. Heiser because it says that he was right in between poor on par on is about a hundred miles from Mount Sinai do you see what I’m saying he’s trying to argue that they must all be very close so close that jeboa laws is no longer a candidate but here you have a clear example biblically that mount Paran is probably closer to a hundred or even if you said eighty you know no matter how you want to argue it it’s quite a distance so when it says the Lord shone forth from Sierre from Sinai from mount Paran we know that Sinai Perron and Mount Sinai are all maybe a hundred miles difference so we’re dealing with a broad area yes they’re all within the same area of the exodus of the exodus March and I would argue that they’re all within the area of biblical at least within Ezekiel’s day Edom the larger area of Edom not just this very limited little small version of Edom okay now let’s look at the candidates and ask if they fulfil the criteria so now if the Lord was shining forth from the right area of Edom does it work does it make sense that he was shining up toward Israel and the answer is yes so the Edom location gets a check mark in terms of just this issue the Lord come from Edom and shine forth toward Israel the answer is yes what about Jeb Olsen Bashar kid could he shine from Sinai if Sinai is jebel sin Bashar over there on the western side of the Sinai Peninsula over by Egypt and then shine toward Israel over Edom no because the Sun Rise doesn’t take a right angle you know the in others the point is the picture is being painted of the Lord rising from Sinai just like the Exodus and his marching forward is like the rising of the Sun it shines over the mountains of Edom but it’s from the vantage point of Israel it’s toward Israel he’s marching toward Israel and this is just another example of if we take the language which it’s actually some pretty important Heiser has a very important point it’s some it’s a important geographic information within these wilderness traditions but it completely rules Jebel sin Bashar out you have to just throw that whole all those traditions out and ignore them entirely to argue that Jellison Bashar is is a candidate so it gets a huge X on this count then of course har kharkom has the same problem it has to kind of take a right-angle heart Cocoon would just be shining straight up into israel why would it have to shine over there to eat them that really doesn’t make sense the Sun Rise just doesn’t work that way so again her cocoon would unfortunately have to get in X on this count the traditional site you could probably argue you know I mean you could probably bend that line a little bit and say it’s pretty straight the Lord marches up from the traditional site through Edom and you know because you don’t want to be overly anal on this point and say come on you know they weren’t that specific with their maps back in those days it’s the general region I go ok that’s fair I’m not gonna give it a check or an X we’ll just kind of say it’s it’s really neither it’s it’s a little nebulous as to whether or not it passes then you have jeboa laws between Edom as that candidate or Jeb all laws those are the only two that passed with flying colors in fact I would argue argue the jebel all laws is the biblical criterion here precisely the Lord shines forth from Sinai up over Edom through over the mountains of Paran and Sierra as he makes his way up toward Zion from Sinai to Zion that makes sense that fulfills it matches it aligns with this very important biblical hint concerning geography so it gets a red checkmark okay so with that said I think we’re just gonna wrap up this program hopefully that was an interesting kind of a fun little study just to kind of go through each of the candidates that way and just you know we could probably come up with 10 more hints that are within the scripture that help us that help us pinpoint the location of Mount Sinai but we covered a few they are recovered for and in some pretty interesting points I think that will cause everyone to probably think about this a little bit differently again if you have not gotten a copy of my book Mount Sinai in Arabia be sure to go to my store when you get anything on my store you get a signed copy this is kind of just the one leg up that I have on Amazon it benefits the ministry obviously when you buy them directly I have a great warehouse that sends them right out so it’s very fast so there’s Mount Sinai in Arabia if you want to familiarize yourself with all of these issues and it’s going to become very relevant soon again heading out here in a few weeks going back to Saudi Arabia the first Christian tour to the mountain ever so excited so grateful and blessed that the Saudi that the Saudi government is opening this up to the world and over the next few years we’re gonna see literally tens of thousands of people are gonna go there and get to see it one of the most faith stirring events of my life to be able to visit Mount Sinai but it blesses the ministry again if you buy anything directly through the store now what I’ve done and I’ve mentioned this before is I have I’ve said let’s just go Keith Green style I’ve put all of my books everything even the books that I just released I put them all out available for free as PDF files on my website Joel’s trumpet calm okay everything is free as a PDF file if you want to read I want everyone to have access to it and we’re trying to put out even a lot of foreign language translations and this sort of thing so you’ll have you know pdfs and different languages but there is there are links there to some of the foreign language translations that are available if they’re not free so that you can actually purchase them but I just I just wanted to take that step of faith and just put everything out there sort of just go Kingdom style that said I do survive largely based on traveling and speaking and also monthly supports so if the Lord would lead you to consider becoming a regular supporter it would bless bless the ministry bless me tremendously so do consider that peripherally consider that again keep an eye out for the announcements for the tour to Kurdish Kurdistan Iraqi Kurdistan it’s going to be amazing for so enough for now look forward to seeing you next time until then I’m Joel Richardson [Music] [Music]

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16 Comments

  1. Iran Says It Will Hold Naval Drill With Russia, China ‘Soon’

    “The joint drill will be held in the north of the Indian Ocean and the Sea of Oman,”

    The announcement comes less than 24 hours after the U.S. said it would send a “moderate” number of American troops to the region and additional missile defense capabilities to Saudi Arabia.

    !!!!

    I first posted this dream on July 5th of 2005 after reading it at SteveQuayle.com on my original blog;

    A BAD DREAM

    http://averyheavystone.blogspot.com/2005/07/bad-dream.html

    ~~~
    Nuclear Holocaust Dream

    July 5, 2005
    Jeff
    It was a dream or vision what ever you want to call it.
    It did not feel that far away the timeline of events.
    I was driving in my car early in the morning around maybe 5 am felt like I was coming home from a job at a radio or maybe tv station.
    I was listening to the radio and they said that Iranain oil tankers being escorted by russian warships have attempted to cross the US naval blockaid of the Gulf of Oman and that an exchange between US Naval Forces and Russian Warships has occured and that a US navy carrier has been sunk by a low yeild nuclear blast and that we responed with same.
    Then shortly after I started to hear the weather sirens and then the Emergency Alert System over the radio. Then shortly after that The radio announcer's have stated that nuclear weapon explosions have taken out nato miltary headquaters and norad in Colorado then I saw mutable detonations of nuclear weapons not far from where I was at.
    Then one more flash of light then I was up.I don't know if this was just a dream or events to come. I only know one thing it felt to real and it felt close.
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  2. YESHUA/JESUS return was (past tense) not in human form! Study CLOUD RIDING from scripture! Example (Isaiah 19:1) Thanks

  3. Nice to see you Joel. I was just telling my husband and parents about your teaching on “where is the real Mt. Sinai.” I plan to get your book as well!
    Praying for your trip to Saudi Arabia.
    Thank you for all that you do. I have learned more from you on these subjects than anyone else by far, as you break down the Bible in ways I’ve never heard anyone do before. You are truly anointed and I appreciate you! God bless you, your family and your ministry! I pray for you regularly.

  4. Fear Not Mighty Friends, Go Forth and Build the 3rd Temple, Filled with TRUTH, iN each Man’s Heart ♥️ that his faithfulness, as pains in his side, Wood Bring Forth Fire, The Fourth commandment, where all JOY, Faith and Hope Receive YeHoVaH’s Love. Revealed by only one, The Spirit Of TRUTH found as many names thru the ages to reveal Truth to ALL! WE, in each and every Heart, build this Temple, iNside our hearts, and bring forth The Light from the Twinkling Of each squinted EYE!

  5. I know someone who has a birth-mark on their thigh that has been verified to be in the shape of Old City Jerusalem…just sayin'

  6. I was so happy that you made a book about Jabal al Lawz, as I had been trying to show brethren this info for years. Thank you for all your hard work. God bless.😊

  7. I love Jesus i have question: When Jesus will return Mont Olive or Mount Sinai i live in São Paulo may i will see Him?

  8. Earth speed is 66,600mph, tilt 66.6º & curvature in one mile square 0.666ft. NASA in Hebrew means DECEIVE. The Bible says it's FLAT. The firmament, four corners, foundations, footstool…

  9. For those who love the truth, I recommend to watch videos in YouTube with “Rabbi Tovia Singer” – he explains the Bible very well. https://m.youtube.com/user/ToviaSinger1 ,,,,, http://www.toviasinger.tv

  10. For those who love the truth, I recommend to watch videos in YouTube with “Rabbi Tovia Singer” – he explains the Bible very well. https://m.youtube.com/user/ToviaSinger1 ,,,,, http://www.toviasinger.tv

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