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People-centered and Sustainable Reintegration of Offenders



Thank You intuition morning and welcome to say we are running a little behind time so I'm just going to try to beat you to our first speaker being a catcher the Regional Director for your partner C so over to you or maybe you can open with your your statement and then good morning everybody and it's a great honor to be with you here today and first already say as equaling a lot of the speakers who spoke earlier today I think it's a fantastic providing and I very much think Italian Institute of Justice a partner in various research and activities relating not just to tie that little silver which is relevant for rest of Asia Pacific and so to the world also for surf friends and even DC has been very active in removing the gender element to this and I very much appreciate your kind invitation to have a server presented here I was really listening with great interest was discussed earlier also as a reflection of the three-day visit what I heard from some of I think that the phenols of of the tech th am room of long development the doors were very insightful and also in terms of the heart of what we're discussing in UN system this is large but also the young women as well because we tend to look at the issue such as promoters such as prisons in inform might impossible right and that we tend to do this on a lot of the smaller important elements that relates to changing the conditions within that framework Wow but in reality I think what I heard this morning which was very inspirational is that we need to connect various elements there are several cross-cutting factors that connects different news and one definitely is the annual are women or gender include various topics I think STDs for all that it's worth is best contributing to our collective thinking of how do we improve the world when we talk about partnership when we do it there linkages between the issues and yet as we all know in reality we do go in the bar separate ways looking at general on its own from little sis on its own food security on in zones everything has different tracks of discussions so I very much congratulate Tia Tia mental disease efforts to at least bring in various elements first in terms of goals five or six came together in this discussion and the way you've organized this three-day interaction how much I think I've highlighted on us the need to look at things in connectivity so a lot of what I was preparing to say relating to the bank conference which which of course echoes in you know our convention the elimination of or convention again to eliminate the discrimination against women it was very much when it comes to various aspects that especially in terms of treatment of female prisoners that they are one of the most vulnerable groups and that their specific needs and challenges and need to be better reflected in the administration of justice so we of course start from that point but I think the bigger point today I very much hope that within how to discuss and and also have thought out conversations when the ones that were expressed this morning which is that if we really need to and there's great work being done here in Thailand for a great example to to the region and the world to improve the condition of women in prison setting we saw a lot of that there's more we can do of course that more needs to be done but also that's only part of the puzzle I think the big focus really should be to not get women into prisons and I think as we can hear in over the past two days also at the Chapman detention of Correctional Facility a lot of women eighty percent of the women that were there are 150 should they even be there the fact that is we look at the global scale women represent a very small population of the prison population percentage wise so in different countries there are different statistics but as we understand it most countries would have it between two to nine percent so below 10 percent Thailand is what among one of the higher countries I think with 15 or 14 15 percent but still it is a smaller population compared to the vast majority of male prisoners but the important thing is over the past 15 years this number was doubled doubled so there was a 50 percent increase in the past 15 years where although it's still a small percentage have increased the Lebanese population in the prison settings but many of the systems of prison administration or even getting into prison is designed not a role taking into account the differentiation between men and women and how they come in so I think we really should have that a minor tunnel around and this picks up on some things that were said this morning how does the society look at crime when do people become criminals in the legal sense and would certain group of people women can one are they more affected in terms of having the the tendency to become criminals when they really should be treated more as victims so this is a question I think we should start out with before we get into the prison is a woman's contact to the law because majority of the women who are in prison settings globally not all of them but a vast majority of them are there because of a cumulative effect of discrimination disadvantages poverty violence against what disrespect for women's basic conditions which pushed them towards what would be seen as a criminal activity so so you know we will need the whole day to discuss if I go into details but I think sitting in a setting like Thailand we can appreciate a lot of the things in the social war that we try to change has to go deeper than just looking at the manifestation of what happened which is to already have that whether in prisons but how did they get there and how can we prevent that so I think there are discussions also from the earlier panel about needing to focus on reintegration that also prevention is very important and I think you visit another area but definitely for women there are a big scope that we could see much more how can we prevent these people to get into prison in the first place so so that's one point I wanted to bring and then another point I wanted to see is that yesterday I had the pleasure of going to look at the notes so I don't pronounce it wrong but within check my share informed district which is sort of bordering Laos not Myanmar site that the last time and they were in it of course with the different length officials and others going to assume group of women who are sort of training themselves capacitating themselves to be you know in a small way leaders in their own villages and in settings and it starts out with to watch out for women woody button that being evaluated but also they look at various other things that happened in the in the village say or in their community families meetings which really is crime prevention right which really is a healthier society where most people are not pushed to becoming criminals people know what to do to avoid being into the cycle of criminality and a lot of that is earlier to has to do with avoiding poverty removing or changing certain social norms that allows disrespect for anybody really but especially for certain people and a culture have been told a lot yesterday that it's the culture of the north that women are you know commodities and they're they they don't speak up they're not supposed to the men in the household are supposed to be taking decisions and they can do whatever they want I hear this around the world in different places but in every setting where I do this there are also women the cattlemen who are not like that as well so how can we empower women and through them their families their communities that creates a culture of respect and also provide opportunity for their respect and and would will to be able to lead into sustainable future for themselves which is what STDs is about so I think if we can look I think there's a lot we can do together in the area of improving correctional systems and how women are treated in there and I have given a long recommendation but I'm not going into it so much because it's been also articulated in the past few days but I also think looking at the crowd of people and the interventions made this morning I think we really should start a dialogue to see how can we influence the policies that segment East kind of assistance right I heard also earlier today at a gentleman from the stock exchange we do a lot as we had women with the stock exchange around the world exactly for the kind of reason he is that I liked it which is that so much of our effort to empower women cannot be done by public sector and it has to be a part of the sample of social development which is through their mining which is driven by business practices allocation of different funds to prioritize certain groups so we are teaming up and you have the International women in March with the stock exchange to have a big event to highlight to the group of CEOs and people in the business sector to look at this not just as corporate social responsibility some charity they do to help women but it's in their business interest in the immediate sense but also in creating a more stable less fractured safe society where business and commerce can be applied so as we have these discussions and as I come here and hear about women's detention centers and to share comments coming like that from the floor and there's interventions that came from other fellows as well there touches on how do we approach this different the use of social media and different ways to influence people's thinking has much less to do with these conference rooms where we adopt revolutions and and but much more to do with people's click in their mind of what's acceptable what's cool what we want to strive to do and I think this is where we need to team up much more the only government in the public sector of ourselves with people in business social influencers celebrities others and I think this is where the the that your Austria between tij and UNODC and bringing us all in it's very very inspiring with of course the the auspices of Her Royal Highness but also for the great number and mix of people who will walk out after these three days with a much better understanding of what needs to be done in detention settings and criminal justice sector in Thailand and in the region but also beyond that to take that inspiration into some other abiders interchange and if you're looking to do that one and well that's that's a worth investing is the woman time because that is so underutilized under-recognized and it will affect not only have the population but their families so I hope we will have continued discussions on this topic to look at the improvement of criminal system but also to look at the wider social conversation of social change so I think my time is up so I even planned for the the actual recommendations we have on in prison settings I'm not repeating here but in our website it's also I'm sure it'll come through the conference documents as well but it does relate to the basic things that you have seen some of them whether deleted at the time I asked facility but unfortunately that's not the reality for majority of prisons in the region or around the world so a limit that that tend to do very much an afford to practical discussions to come out to lead a wider alliance of how to society tackle with reducing crime and what are the roles of women in misconduct thank you very much a couple of thoughts before I move on to mr. Kohana you touched on the idea that I have to look at the wider social context and why are women ending up in president it's not simply a matter of managing prisons better but there are the fact that they get there for certain reasons is unfortunate and it's good that we have the secretary with us to the flag time the laws that are in place in the country and including the drug laws and how there so many are ending up it was amazing the statistics we saw at the prison the other day eighty percent of the ladies named Chiang Mai prison are there for drug offenses many of which are relatively minor offenses are you certain that petty offenses is true so how can we consider alternatives to imprisonment even for criminal behavior so because they have a good ending up in prison has a hugely disruptive impact on the family and all the communities that these ladies are coming from so it was inflection raised that and the other thing was yesterday you weren't with us but we met some pretty powerful women yesterday from the community enjoy Tom so a village head so it's not simply that women in North are shy I we saw something yesterday that were definitely not shy and heard from them about the role that they have started to take at the community and transforming it so which brings me to the next speaker mr. Kilani who's going to talk about people centered community reintegration and mr. Cattani just so you're all aware he used to be in my royalties was the Regional Director for University and then later the director of unity represented in Columbia he's done work around the world on community and the integration and especially in the drug space so there's a lot to offer this special so mr. Connolly I'm a beacon lightness on the work you're doing now to integration with joy tone and how they thank you very much in particular to the organizers because they gave you a certain opportunity yes opportunity to visit Denton and now I'm trying to summing up how all these initiative started 20 years ago I'd like to remind you that 30 years ago we talked about the capital of the open market the attack there was no Afghanistan so 80% of tracts of the world in particular Herrick was coming from there therefore the population was involved in of introduction all of them so they were all of them according to the criminals and not only criminals because music but also because they were trafficking people both of the families were send their child to commercial sex also they were illegal immigrants so they were coming from different countries from Denver China and there are cleaners we did not establish any form of connection we does not establish any form of probation just because the princess mother founded the foundation demographer foundation had some fundamental principle people are not dead we just need to provide them a way to live and they will behave the totally people are not stupid or they are not gender biased towards women they're also genius or people is a genius they can provide for the future then we we need to reprogram the community perception and then at the end finally we have to open the mind of Tommy came to have a set these are in support of healing not connecting the community but just here in the community our concept of justice is the NEC that happened between the person at the community the state has no because the state suggested to mr. justice we you just need to heat the permit without me to correct anybody the area was 20,000 population lives in or tappet there from that situation of the street disruption a completely completely fractured and destroyed by AB sir yesterday we heard they had Antilla the lady who was stealing absurd and weapons and bullets she spent all her youth preparing food and to kill people that person according to the NOFA probably prison she was not she became a leader the community and she provided a lot of the mindset change princess mother in suburbia nobody will also be better but they do not have the opportunity to good these are fundamental principle of rehabilitation and sustainable development led justice so all the reason toward the poverty where identified in fact here justice synthesis but there are many more this is the only developed important in the world that I know offer I have been in hundred thirty five countries so I'm stand to be corrected when opening a people president nobody was given a penny or even one pack or tempeh there was some invested by Development Bank's but it was just great so what the money was given back all the transformation that we've seen yes that he was done by the people was it a case of education public health of the cultural economy no it was a change of mindset people took the future in their hands and understood that that community relation is fundamental if you like the support behind them if you left women behind you let the community behind if you let the children behind the elected the community behind so awarded by connecting all this issue we could be organized three phase development because in no way to have control in that time in the sixties and seventies there was border control organization of the United Nation at the time so it was supported by the FAO to reduce motivation for forests and we started with survival and then we moving to sufficiency which was mainly a limitation of that and then now in the face of sustainability so in terms of providing livelihood to the people with the fourth and some opium farmers to forest the orders and now landscape gardeners I don't know whether some of you visited the data yesterday this garden produces 1.5 million euro failure or denied selling tickets and that they became small interpret uncertain involve the ignored kind of our industry with this folder Tourisme ceramic and we go up we program in the mindset of the people in particularly personal education we have the highest level of Montessori School in Asia one of the highest in the world there are no other areas in the world is so many children be Montessori School not in Italy not in Switzerland when mrs. Montessori was coming from it is in the Golden Triangle in toy tone children are aware of the future of the community of the diversity of the ethnic groups they were high respect for the monarchy they are high respect there really adore the princess mother and of course the people we want her son and the system of time and monarchy because there could be people to flourish this was the system which gave drivability to the people in conclusion opening the mind of public and private sector we are in the Golden Triangle we are in the corner of Thailand we are small but we participate in the global market the people who serve the coffee to you yesterday Warner the National prize for the best barista not the one in Starbuck not the one in Sheraton Hilton in Bangkok it ever a Polish doctor doctor because they understand both excellence is about and we partner then I'm a sector in order to continue our self-improvement another principle of the princess matter people should never buy problems out of charity but they buy for their point otherwise they would only buy once we have received a visit from the best fashion industry the world the carrier group for example and other fashion to study our production and establish partnership with us the involvement in the future for the initiative of the Thais little justice we are open and willing to receive people coming out of prison even if the sentence that their position is just suspended we don't see people asking us we see people as equals people made a mistake but the community also made a mistake but at the state also by putting them in poverty so it was something to correct what needs to be corrected is made in the community and the state and we are ready to cooperate in this initiative we have seen how many opportunities we have initiated projects in other part of the country so similar approach could be done the only question is asked we asked is what do the people get out of it we are not interested in other kind of we want to measure the outcome how can we transfer transform the mindset and build a better future you have seen people they were very happy none of our people were battery to Chennai or to Bangkok because they live better day you see we started from minus 75 percent on the per capita income compared with the capital country Bangkok we have below 75 percent so our people are making one-fourth of the money made by the people at the capital now we are hundred and fifty percent per capita income I got a backup therefore we attract people for charity and I even we have talked to foreign people to do this there so the high quality of life and happiness you can say that we are a kind of Davos Davos for Thailand a place where people become happy also their mission yes they actually Oliver they told you yesterday have a Frigidaire TV they were motorbike their peak output they have housing with the mover but all of these have be done by the community serve our planet sustainable is recognized by the United Nations as something that the social de ponerse impetus from foundation and other institution around the world has recognized our social enterprise as sustainable people are moving more and more to high school and also some of them into Bachelor and the universities and this has been the beginning of the project and this is the result after 30 years change the future making an alliance between people and forests between people and people also those who previously were considered bad people but first of all they're people the best way to rate the great criminals is not to disintegrate into the community if you put people in prison for 25 years you have disintegrated the family you have disintegrated the community it's not affordable for us enjoy to never do that and therefore we have now a sustainable change based on a tribal community that believes the future people well but if there's something that if there's lessons maybe during the question here we can get to what can be taken from Plato to help can enjoy and the roller of the Bangkok rules the lessons that might be applied to the prison system because there's also we saw in some industry if you will inside the prison but they're struggling to get to find their feet and so we need to think about how can we support that sustainability and it's just and the sustainability of Cal Jai their their industry there but I had we have to move on the next speaker is mr. Whitsitt with our wishes for us the permit secretary justice Optometry honor the from Bangkok today sir then you're going to talk to us about the role of the criminal justice system here in Thailand in the sustainable reintegration of offenders and the support that the MOJ is putting forward for the rollout of the Bangkok rules beyond the pilot that we saw in Chiang Mai mr. Behrman secretary okay Thank You Jerry good morning everyone I'm sorry I didn't mean you have thought it was two days and that you received two facilities but then I follow diety progress that closely linked duty to look at in Bangkok normally when the government official represent the government in any partner we would be seen as defendant coming to Jackson tell you what we should do what we shouldn't do but then again I think to start off I would I would love to answer the question that we have at a plenary discussion the question was how long we could perhaps both the back improves to the more sustainable way I think then that would go to something along the lines of policymaking we may have people participation we may have the knowledge but until you get through the core of the movement that is to the government and the government supporting that then you would get sustainability we actually change our mind and also look at the progress of the banker groups the tig has done have a very modest job the the policy on the memories of Justice is now in support of that and that is also in integrated into the policy and the KBI of the corrections department which means that this year we we targeted that the coaches Department need to improve their backup status and also facility to up to some certain level so I think that we see that there is a benefit of of dealing with them with respect to the government what what I'm trying to tell you is this we don't represent just one group to me we have to look at them pictures of of the whole people anthem is the same story if you record a new world young violence right you are tell you what told a story and in that door story must be there very beautiful ending Prince the Prince marry the princess and they lived happily ever after the same would apply to criminal process for those who get involved which mean that when when you see the best are your people committing a crime they go to court and the day they were talking to prison and then we never will be never go through and trying to find out whether that where they are not they're gonna come up in the society and be good again the same apply to us when we got mad you know that after we got married it's a long journey that we have to live together but it's a long journey and very challenging if you want a very successful marriage life the same would apply to the rehabilitation and this is a mindset of the majority of the people in the country so I think that would apply also to to most of the staff that we have the the fact that they put into prison that is not the end is the beginning is the beginning of how to put them back into society and with the with the concept of what we have a little something that I see and we trying to change a monastic in the policy level is that people have a look at the world in like asylum the judge say you go to prison right if you go to prison is going to be your also deal with them and of course how that you deal with them they are out of society well no one look after them so we I think them with the with the concept of reintegration we have to change myself of all the people getting involved we looked at the new policy the new policy was issued by the Minister of Justice and is standing of it with the juvenile justice first because it's smaller so we started with that the key thing is that we agree with previous speakers that nobody's mad but they lack opportunity so if you want to make them have a better life like have a good life whatever broad that might be better than putting them into some kind of torture and make sure that they will not come back to commit a crime because they are free a prison that never work we look at that statistics we have like 5 600 people put in jail every day father came out every day so and altogether of the number of the prisoners we have a rock around 320 thousand in prison now so pop up chimney Shanghai might be just a minimal part and the most 320,000 people how did them recommit in a crime we did not have that figure in the it may be like two years ago but we now starting up those kind of started state and it became clear that twenty percent twenty seven percent of those would come back to prison within three years so now we get a go because unless you can measure that you cannot yet so this is something that we are trying to look at the way to improve the well to reduce recidivism now in order to make sure that would go out having a better life it is not a one one more there that fits everybody is no one size fit all and in fact we know because in the criminal justice we were taught that people must be telling individually we cannot have given to plan for them so that we know exactly what these have to probably they have well with the number of those people who have a capacity of the staff and the corrections I tell you that there's no chance because if we start using the same model and we don't have a beauty knowledge e to deal with that by the time you have a plan for one a neutral prisoner you get what how many people coming in after so but I tell you that that is a hope because at this stage we're starting a program on the big data analysis we understand that we can't calculate the risk by way off and you both go to borrowed money from the bank they have a credit scoring but and that kind of things now put into their system we starting up in juvenile justice another the model so we we tend to have some kind of finding the problems and finding the correlated factors that they will come back the Big Data project is now starting so we hope that together with what we have it might be a better idea when we have a better picture to analyze and have heal like we heard from other speak of people have heal them of course we don't have to wait for that because we know that some certain issues are now obvious we know that their poverty is one one problem we wanted to be a better off after they they've gone up so what we try to do is that instead of having the police setting the plan and then release them that is the plan must be connected between the life inside and the life outside without that you never do with them and of course the if even we talk about the occupation we want to have a vocational training right we have to change most of them because they do what we have at present in other prison not right at all to net them the chamber that you visit might be something that go beyond time we gave them something that they don't know right we maybe just secure the time so in order to make sure that the vocational training is suitable for them to go out and do the job something must be shared within the vocational training inside some profiles and something that we learn about the coffee shop the barest the barrister thing there there would be a change of a lot of things inside together these you need to have a connection factor with them with the people outside because otherwise you train them they they cannot go out so that is what we are trying to do another issue which we talk about the in training is that maybe that is not the lucky mark anything maybe they lack education maybe they lack skill on work maybe they even have other trouble and mental health we try to change myself of the people here what is the obstacle might say that we have is it always like them well you are dealing you are eating well the prisoner has better than people outside so this is a key thing when you have to convince the people outside that well I think you are in the wrong perception just think of yourself if you are okay if your health is fine we don't have to spend all our money on you but if you are ill you spend a lot of money on you if you're even sick putting them in the hospital and in the NICU we definitely put a lot of money on you because your problem is something that we have to heal this is a key thing when you talk about the education that I dealt with the juvenile it seems like if you don't give a better education for them in the juvenile facility you never get them out because they are someone who actually followed belong beyond ourselves in there and if you keep them the same thing that you give them outside that will not change them so this is probably have to change the mindset even for the educational ministry that something which would give them even something better maybe you have better training we have a better more – for them to study the same would apply to the skill maybe within if you teach them how to do that they would be able to work I tell you is not is not it because many of them may need some other assistance we understand that well for us when we know how to do it we may actually do it in our real life but the progress for many prisoners we need to actually help them even make them the calling confident in order to work give them some support for them after their release there are some funding that we need to help them make sure that us while visiting them make sure that they are being able to go back into their life so this is what we are trying to do at the moment with the Ministry of Justice we are changing the mindset of them in history we are putting those kti of the of the staff in the juvenile justice and and the corrections department we're hoping that once this policy is now phone we send them the KDI and nature that we are start changing the mindset all the people with the diminution of justice we hope that once we cut through this right we might do some part and of course the part that we do is poly the starting point we need to make sure that when they go out those who are going to a system would work with us from the beginning so this is maybe you may call it as a defense but I call it passivation thank you thank you Miss Universe entry I like what you said in the beginning about the different audience I think Thank You mr. Norris IJ I like what you said in the beginning about the different audiences I know you you're all you have to deal with different audiences the public who have one view of crime and then you have to deal with the prisoners and looking after that interests to reintegrate them to society so maybe when we get to the questions at the end we can talk about the policies in place in the government and how the public might perceive policy change because it's very important to bring them alongside with potential change in drug policy which I never do ever is debating out when we changed our policy which may have an effect of lowering prison population but also alternatives to imprisonment is the public open to other things other like for example community service or they only to probation to wife status or thatif you hear your views on that anyway the next speaker living long is a very good old friend of ours in the UN system dr. happened another time of Chiang Mai University he's going to speak to us about daughter rank but he's also a very well-known expert in the region on treatment doctor even in community basis of drug treatments so I'll turn it over to you now dr. maybe you can enlighten us about door rank and president pre-release pores thank you very much Jeremy thank you for having me having our experience here as actually a physician faculty position even though I which despite sitting here around discuss about business issues I get opportunity to engage in one of how we can apply people centered sustainable education of offenders here at Chiang Rai province how we can get criminal justice system and come to work together but after recent maybe because I have working with seven community here on various issues around drug problem solving so I would like to share our initial lesson learned from pre-release program here at a prison because I ran prison which is a special prison that one who separate from the bank a right reason and has special arrangement evening and applying effective release program the objective is trying to improve out of the development concept aiming an effective education and hopefully reduce recidivism about this prison population he is the front of the prison the Dharan prison we call open prison that's been people can walk into no there's no things no high rank things more than there that's the back of the open prison it's a nice view of river prisoner can kick down there swimming awaiting so on so that's experiencing when we put prisoners it is that kind of prison so we call it open prison to begin the world actually Tyra program has been implemented for seven years when we start to make how to conclude and how to improve this program we learned that we explore the prisoners the current system the staff and see what we dealing with at the beginning we learned that majority were able to start up again with support for families and governmental agencies as a villain from the previous speaker that about 20% you give you say 77% reoffended into the prison again so that means majority actually they can find everything out however for the difficult one poor self-efficacy they mentioned that when we interview them when they get released from a prison they dare not go out from their home for at least one week because they don't know how to speak to the others they don't know how to speak to the committee leaders and so on so that that's one finding that we think we should find a way to improve self-efficacy before he leaves and we we found that the first thing when they get out jail is getting smartphone and open up Sochi and connected the world through their not go out from their home and discuss with the people with the community but they have their own community and you you would imagine who they were connected first would be the similar people before they get intel on the social media so that's what we learn and yes heavy alcohol use actually within probably a few months at all so 95 of them heavy alcohol use and get together some time when they have time they bring together and some person when they relapse to confuse the get arrested again we learned the influence or the factor probably both their partners if they have had happens for drinking alcohol and Jews drug they came to the lengths to drug use and get arrested again especially when their family also had happy so that what we learned about previously program and how we can improve this the curriculum actually previously designed for diamond but after that after a few try reduce to five month the curriculum gave pre-release prisoners as experts on repeating community and behavioral counseling to help improve self kissing and better preparing for for anomalies under the concept of identity development we try to improve the curriculum to improve themselves as intention to do good and has performed well all along less than one year prison sentence so the chemistry for each try to be about fifty person fifty-fifty prisoners so in it is open prison the live together and warm up as a team and into three teams imminent learning how to work as a team obviously agricultural and vocational choice open a protective practice according to their preference some men do agriculture some may want to do the others so whatever the prison a prison can provide in that beautiful area they they have been educated there yes us a broader information about high society for them to learn and realize how they have to adjust to try society in a large provides some volunteer labor support obviously but they are prisoners you can't say that they volunteer because speak you say we have to go out and help some village on these issues they have to go home but through those activities I think they learned a lot how to volunteer support of the communities again respect from communities we we provide some training in the present on self-efficacy enhancement we provide training on Family Relations enhancement and we provide medical care so we have three help here they split up into three groups and stay together and they have to select their leaders and route to stay together work together and you can see that in the area they can grow vegetable science and others that for agriculture in the training it's trying to be a skill build up training for them they have a group process they were together they were wrong they improve their self to see to those practice we also plan to train prison staff after the community principles and practice because we learned that through these practices prison staff then understand how to assist these prisoners and improve their self kc enhancement and we adjusted the content of this curriculum to fit all together in a serial manner the lesson learned we can great supportive exploration of law experts especially after the team some city within the participation a great support from prison and probation staff great participation of previous prisoners they are very happy during the 5-month curriculum and they learned long and obviously we get strong support from there our ontology and this is one of the agricultural land after one of the prisoners pass through this program and capabilities and they they utilize their knowledge and organize their agricultural land all along you can see that princess visited how they utilize their things they learn this is one of the another one who opened up with yo doodles show yeah and this is a variety of material so you can try the challenge would be medical problem the commanded to the Colossus and the plans and trained a limited number of staff and heavy workload prohibit us to proceed with the training program so we hope that we can test next period I can try it again and many crystals not released after the program so we we think if we shorten the program so that after we finished the release program release program training they can get into the community right away that would be better for reintegration we try to think about big issues of social 60-month that this person gets so we are in creation system development by both country leaders hopefully they can come as a moderator and teach our prisoners how to how to engage in to the society positively so we want to promote continued attitude to after release prisoners as well and to test out whether we can have active the restoration of the cultivate socio-educational training so be obsolete would be the last year a political distribution of the prisoners homes general public and we have no existing program and OPL has about room to start with so we look at one strong tea based community who have strong cultivates multi sectoral relationship are really in general area they have mostly packages to an emo sector program and agree to active participate as a training science so we we have two meetings at the county have been office we Hogan I've three exposure visits through prison and we have two meetings to plan our continuous training it is ongoing piloting program have but we learned that after we have done through these we have create of the Liturgy of attitudes after they have exposure of visions so they we also have existing local networking sustaining engagement of local resource tab through the program so hopefully all these then we can put together the reintegration program effectively having to start training properly having complete participation and having some role in creation therefore for the release program better and we will follow to see whether we will get it how come to be expected so I would like to thanks all these thank you very much thank you detailed presentation it's interesting how you brought in the community which with changing perceptions really in a way I think we have a little bit of time for questions and it makes me think of the foreign secretaries besides you here first of all I hope nobody swam away from the prison you don't want to say that to him though because anyway to have to do something about it but I am curious about changing perception on and this is where I'm thinking about the permanent secretary because if you are to affect a policy change you need public support for that change and so we've been talking about the past make of days about drug policy we've been talking about alternatives to imprisonment or looking at release and reintegration but you need the public on side with some of these efforts and I'm wondering what the government is doing about bringing the public on site to a change so that so that it will be well-received and maybe you can enlighten us in that endeavor okay changing the perception is very difficult basically once you believe in something you never change and in order to change that it is not like giving them another opinion that they have a change so what we try very much instead of giving the public something along the line or this is a new one seven days you'd like it they wouldn't like it we had many people in the intervening that someone would even encourage more for more punishment that is because they leave even that bandage I wouldn't say that they are wrong so what we try to do is that we try to give the public more and more evidence-based information we understand that when people look at people who actually released from prison I think most of the party will say that they were a productive prison most you can say that the status is shown that twenty percent and twenty seven percent since we try to confuse that but it actually shows something so if you want to change the public you need to give them more information and more accurate data so we tried that and similarly of course the public is one what woman another probation starts itself because therefore although the tiny part of the public we we engage and to the perception of stigmatize those who went into prison and how to change it we know that in our disqualification if everything that if you put a prison you cannot come back to work right and what one simple example is very very long I was sitting in in the innovative run by the probation office and they said 10 minutes ok and they pointed out something along this line you say this is a qualification for probation volunteer right and they rose and one of those is that if you want to become a probation volunteers you can never go to prison they put that so it has them if you don't trust them those who went through your system how could anybody trust them so they went back and delete those so this is a kind of not only changing the public even the officers you'd still need to change the concept and one what which is very good that is to reduce Sigma or to those who went into prison we are now trying to gather attracting and ignore not like you you you we have kept the balance that we had we won't get that all through but there is a key way where we won't allow certain number of people who went to prison to go back to work even with the government that's it that's really interesting we said or just building on that Dwight own effectively changed perception over years but they've had a long term to you obviously I think several decades and still working but it's proven sustainable so maybe I don't know you didn't talk about how they changed that perception because they were working arguably incredibly difficult traditions on a difficult issue of drug issues but they took it from a different perspective and they brought the community along I don't know if there's lessons from that that can be applied outside to it yesterday I will leave this and show it the question the same question that is doing is asking now the community was highly fractured it was fragmented it was sick six in every regardless the doctor said was not only sick in the heart was sick in the body sick because the optimum addicted so they recognized that return solidity of the community to make it stronger they need sub indirectly so literally the only way to make the solid stronger so they they have to reduce this fracturing and they asserted that it will take time so instead of giving 2003 to somebody because it is something very hard in the community that for example the leader who was leading to all the to a devotee the one who's down the head of the coffee table he understood that it will take them in tectonic it means that it will mean that we will invest in the next generation so the children invest their time that was important because it was their life so everybody has been as committed to a kind of let's call it the life sentence that they will commit the opportunity to facilitate agility and this question that Jeremy asked them is the most difficult to make other communities other people to understand when they went to Columbia another very dramatic conflict the longest conflict on earth 60 years the country was in conflict in war for 60 years if we're not on terrorists all over the country the many provinces were nobody of the state could enter no police no army because under of the drug dealers and epic traffickers enter the nice bag so when we definitely take you at least 20 years most hundred 20 years a lot of people in the parliament it depress the moment in us these are criminals they keep people they kill children they even attacked them with pops at the school what do you want to deal with these peoples okay that has Patil the war for another 16 years so the other part is very very practical you have to understand again to develop a certain quantity of so-called justice which is top justice is a retribution if to give up a certain quantity of relative Authority in order to get peace and so these restorative justice is about their if you practice in the world and succeeded to protect a token for restorative justice a lot of people focus on offenders instead of focusing on the victims and the victims is a community so the community understand that there you have to go through 20 years astrology justice program that means that the correction is not the perfection of the factor only is also the direction 20 something wrong allowing the dramatic level of poverty and abuse including abuse of the focus that make it impossible for the next generation to continue this is a complete rebuilding of how the communities organize and I've been around the world many places they don't do nobody poor people or people with the stigma of having done something wrong I'm afraid of the power yes they told you they were afraid at the beginning of the princess much because you want to battle the king very powerful lady she was inviting me they are military captain they found one to be safe coming from the sky and we are afraid they were kicked out of our land they were putting us to prison as soon as we understood that they were there to be with us last war we built so the key word here is trust is not about rehabilitation people but about rehabilitating trust between government people and community so if you build the trust that anything become possible and in Colombia we have now readers were given the ak-47 cache because the police did the ballistic and we know the depth Kalashnikov below the person who have killed a hundred and fifty people how many life sentence you wanted him to that day you don't totally free in the community to the water another 60 years I'm willing to change the framework I don't mean to change the day after kilter and it myself if outcome how did those Wounded Knee who changes network will be able to make something truly sustainable otherwise we do a pilot another bullseye with the Pulsar very nice keep it very true but we need a forest reading the forest of common good and change ours possibility in my communities and governments including those who've been affected by very bad incident electron they will appreciate that it makes me think of half of the community what role do women work unique role that they play in changing social norms in the community that might help restore and provide for sustainable change it goes beyond today's immediate discussion but I think one part where you and women is really focusing on is women's ruin to transport societies right and especially in cases like perception how do you look at what's good at that how do you look at people who are criminals how do you deal with people you don't agree with but to the kind of powerful example that someone was giving so we're focusing Goodman's room in various parts but it was so inviting shaping of course in the family but also in the communities they represent we are doing very interesting projects assisting on some countries of Asia Pacific looking at the connection between women and their ability to prevent expired extremism because a lot of that is very much indeed a focus on the punitive or law enforcement based approach as traditional a legal approach but at the end of the day when we do the studies of actual soldiers of violent extremism and for destabilizing acts involving violence very often these people are brought up in families where there was violence was the more there was no understanding of how to deal with differences other than expressed through violence they're done a lot of young men and women are some that are products of a life that they've been victimized but of course they're seen as criminals and then the society public is a so in order to change that kind of an assistant mother's by its daughter's police in communities clearly wrong of course is you and woman we don't want to reduce the role and significance of women to just roll with a mother but it isn't a factor and so especially I think in Asian context where where family values are very important we're really focusing on this and the expense that we have in working with some for extremist group families in Indonesia and in Bangladesh and soon in the Philippines as well we come up with hard evidences of how women play and can play a very positive role in this but it's also important to recognize that that is also a way to empower women to so in a sense you hit two birds with one stone that you have a more tolerant accepting truthful society that can give second chance to people who might have been with prisoners but also to prevent these people who haven't in the first place so to look at that opportunity to use women's agency for the the betterment of the social understanding of how we deal with these issues but at the same time providing leadership and recognition to women forget to be that leader in communities and the context so I think this is a part that I very much hope that features into your discussions when we look at how do you look at this was the wrong change we won't affect marriage thank you and I've been trying to remind about where we go others in the room and so I'd like to throw it open to the floor for the next 15 minutes if there's questions to the Senate panel thank you very much

Glenn Chapman

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