Flat Earth rising: meet the people casting aside 2,500 years of science

I’m here today to tell you that your
government is keeping you divided. With trust in institutions in its
all-time low and the concept of objective truth
seemingly harder to agree upon, conspiracy theories are flourishing. The people that are
perpetrating this hoax and the people that really run this world, they’re not gonna
let go of all that power easily. No one has an official nomination for a trusted source
of mainstream media. The mother of all conspiracies
is surely the Flat Earth. There is no curvature on this earth,
it cannot be measured. But how do you know
that you live on a globe? Can you prove it? I know I’m not crazy so why should I
be bothered if somebody says I’m crazy? We’re not spinning around on the ball. It’s not a clear-cut line. Does the horizon stay to your eye level? I can’t remember. Or do you simply
trust the evidence you’ve been shown? Assuming such a lie would be too big. Well, I can see the curve. Yeah, sure you can. Over the past few years, Flat Earth
communities have sprung up online. Not only sharing research supporting their
theories but often incorporating conspiracies that for many are far more
dangerous. From vaccinations to Sandy Hook. But when I visited truth-seeker
Dave Murphy near his home in Sussex, he seemed keen to distance himself from any
formal grouping of globe denials. I’m not part of any movement, I’m just a guy who
knows the earth’s flat. Describe for me if you will,
what your beliefs are? I personally believe
that we live on a big disc of water, there’s a North Pole in the centre
and all the continents are strung around it. And the edge is what we call Antarctica. Beyond that, who knows what’s down there? So this is where anywhere is beyond here, there isn’t anywhere …
Does that make sense? If this is a realm over 3D space and time, well there can’t be anything
outside it because that implies, you know, 3D space and time. But that only applies here. Right, I wonder if you could describe to me
your circumstances … When you started
to look into this? I’ve spent the last 15 years
looking for truth. I was at 9/11, you know, I stood there watching it and accepted it for what
I saw. Just like everybody else. It wasn’t until about four years later that
I figured out that it can’t have happened the way I saw it. I mean I was
having my midlife crisis about that time. Everyone gets to that point in their
life, you know, around about 40 odd that you start wondering, you know, what is
this all for? What am I doing here? Dave took me down to the beach to show
me the most simple Flat Earth experiment. A curvature calculation. Batteries? I took the battery out. There should be just under three feet
of curvature, hiding of the lighthouse. Do you feel like the mainstream
scientific community will concede to …? They can’t because it means then almost the
the breakdown of civilisation. If you realise that the Earth’s flat
well then hang on, why are we sending things up into space? There is no space,
where’s all this money going to? What’s the point? The reason behind all
this deception is they’ve relegated us to a microbe, a speck of dust in an
infinite void with nothing in control. Powerful people who have got more money
than us, can now say, ‘you do as we say’. How did your family take the news? My son went off and did his own research, came back and he said,
‘yeah, now I agree with you.’ And my ex-wife
actually thinks I’m crazy, she thinks I’m mentally ill. It’s not craziness, it’s
literally what a true scientist should be like. Should be open to everything. Before you became a flat-earther,
did you feel part of society? Now increasingly I’ve
removed myself from this society because it’s a wicked society, it’s evil in places. You just have to turn on that
hypno-box, you know, in the corner and every night you see the wickedness coming out of it. Do you ever
have any doubt? I’ve seen so much now that I can’t, I can’t see
it any other way. Why am I standing here?
I’m a 50-year-old man, I could easily be sitting at home watching the Formula One or some
other mindless activity. In Hyde Park Speakers’ Corner, truth-seekers gather to
spread the word. There are no spinning balls in space. Balls in space come down. Play a game of football,
eventually that ball will come down. There’s no ifs and buts. There’s one up and there’s one down. This is Roxanne Glen,
a relative newcomer to the world of Flat Earth activism. The first time I came here and the first time
I got heckled by a bunch of trolls, I really had to question what
it was I was doing. I realised, you know, this is actually an argument
to fight that I am having here. Is this my fight? And then I went home, pondered on it and went back to my
mundane job, doing my mundane tasks and realised that no, it is. The more you genuinely
take time looking into it, the more it’s like opening up Pandora’s box,
it’s like, you peel back one lie and then you realise, ‘oh they haven’t been
completely honest about that either’. But then why lie? Why do all that? Why not just be honest with us? Is this a growing movement? Yes, yes. I think it is very much so. The public interest in it I think it’s definitely
growing as well, especially with the
children, they’re not buying into everything that they’re shown on TV, like I did when I was that age. What’s changed? We didn’t have YouTube. Thanks to Trump, they are all walking
around going, ‘you are fake news!’ If someone like Trump wasn’t in
office, I don’t think even people would be critically thinking about the media. Roxanne and her friends have been on
tour across the UK for the past seven weeks. You must get some funny looks. Yeah, but good looks as well. There was a lot of people who beeped
and gave us a thumbs up. Really? I was invited to the end of tour party
at a school in west London. Complete with speeches, music
and a glacier mint cake. Despite their vocal distrust of the
media, several people were keen to share their ideas. So pretend there’s a dinner
plate stood in the middle so on the outside, you spin it,
if there’s something outside you’ll zoom off. Right. Stood in the middle, you don’t. And then I did the curvature calc
and I realised that the curvature calc said 240ft
should have been missing from a 30ft elevation. And a 123ft from the 1ft observations
and that’s what clicked then because that’s 49%. I’ve gone as far back as the Egyptian bible
and the scriptures and I am reading these and to me,
when I’m reading these words, you know, these aren’t the words of someone
who’s trying to deceive us. These are the words of someone who was trying
to help and guide us. So imagine spinning at 1000 miles/hour, at the edge of a roundabout,
how tight would you have to hold on? I feel like I’m holding on pretty tight now. We’ve got to the end of this tour now and we’ve positively started a massive wave
of conversation for people. This is not about Flat Earth
but it’s about you. We’re trying to all find that feeling, what we’re all missing, which is love. So in the name of love,
let’s keep telling people that it is flat. Thank you, thank you. Do you think that the Flat Earth provides some
clarity where previously there has been fuzz and mess and complexity? Yeah, I do think it provides a bit of clarity. I am on a journey, I’m also going
through surgery at the moment, on my face, because I got a fracture on my face
that no one knows about. Yeah, I was involved in a horrendous attack, still standing, nearly lost my life though. Went to court, got done for it, been there, done, that was back in 2008. I was knocked out for three weeks by the hospital to repair, in a drug-induced coma. And yeah, I’m still standing. Still fixing myself from that and yeah that’s got nothing to do with Flat Earth
but you know … But doesn’t it though, I mean do you feel
that this there’s … is there’s something in …? Maybe so. It may have changed, kind of your outlook, have changed your willingness
to investigate things. I mean, who knows, right? Maybe so, yeah. I do believe that, I do believe that
sometimes your life experiences mould you into the path you end up going on, or
the pursuit of truth that you’re going on … So, yeah, you’re probably quite right with that. For Roxanne to still be undergoing surgery for the physical scars of domestic abuse a decade ago, was shocking. To say nothing of the emotional impact of such a breakdown in trust. Singing: We know now, that the Earth’s not round That it don’t spin round because the truth’s been found. Despite the celebratory feel to
the event, this was still a fairly small gathering
of committed activists. For a taste of the Flat Earth on a bigger scale, I flew to Denver, Colorado, to join 800 paying guests at the Flat Earth International Conference, the biggest of its kind to date. The world’s going to watch,
they’re going to be amazed, they’re going to be blown away at not the conspiracy theories,
the conspiracy facts. We’re all with the facts. Next to the main auditorium, flat-earthers from all over
were exhibiting their wares. And we leave it alone and it will just be still. How can that hang upside down
anywhere in the world? That’s down to gravity though, isn’t it? Well, in the imagination. It’s opposite, and we’re going to be moving
in opposite directions. and that’s where you get … We’re going to get stuck. The day and night. I mean, how does a lunar eclipse work? That I am not sure about. This is a rocket. What was the idea with this? Basically I just wanted to do a man
a vertical launch. But what’s that got to do
with the flat earth? Nothing, nothing. In the conference itself,
a familiar face was drawing the crowds. So what dropity is, it’s the tendency
for things to fall when you let go of them. You’re a bit of a star here, right?
I mean, come on, don’t be modest. Lots of people have come up to you. I mean people come up to
me and said they’ve come all the way from, you know, Sweden and places
like that just to see me. We’ve got a photographer now. He can’t move anywhere, he’s the man isn’t he? He says the truth. ‘He says the truth’, there you go,
what do you think of that? I am just doing what I have to do. Dave, I love you. Thanks a lot, bro. You better get back to your adoring fans now. I don’t want to sort of take
any of your time … You shut up. Do you want me to slap you? Dave wasn’t the only star attraction
on the bill at this Flat Earth Woodstock. Another speaker,
Denver’s own Bob Knodel. How is everybody doing? Beside your eardrums are bleeding, I understand. Bob, great to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Unlike many of the people I met at the conference,
whose Flat Earth beliefs stem from a literal interpretation
of the Old Testament, Bob’s approach is based on scientific
rationalism. I’ve always been a little bit different,
I’ve always seen the world a little bit different. I was put in special schools, they said that you know
I had a genius IQ which, whatever, but I had a hard time relating
to other people and the world in general. I never was able to understand why
the world seems to be so messed up, you know? Why all these wars, why all the
killing, why do they spend so much money on things like this, when they could just
spend that same money and fix the problems? If you were shown conclusive
proof of a globe earth with your own eyes, how would you feel and would
you be able to adjust your viewpoint to match? Honestly, I would be relieved,
I would be because that would mean that this nightmare is over. Is it a nightmare? It is. It is a nightmare because we’re going against
the entire belief system of the entire world. I certainly do not want to
be in the position that I’m in, you know, being ridiculed, being fired from jobs … Nobody wants that
and the only reason I do it is because I truly care about the
future of humanity. Bob took me up to the Red Rocks Amphitheatre, on the edge of the Rocky Mountains to cast a view out over the flat horizon. What are your hopes and expectations for
the future of Flat Earth? My hopes are for all this
to go through as seamlessly as possible, without, you know, bloodshed and
without you know too much conflict. But the people that really run this world
are not going to let go of that power easily. In the short term, things are
going get a lot worse before they get better but when things do start getting better, we’re going to go into what I would term
a more utopian type of world instead of a dystopian-like world
that we’re clearly headed for. Everyone I’ve spoken to, when you really boil it down, what people want is
the same as what anyone wants, to have some sort of agency to be relevant to
something, to have love, all these things. Yes. Do you feel the Flat Earth
really delivers that in a way that the globe earth never could perhaps? Of course people are going to want to feel like they’re part of something
and not so insignificant, you know, that makes perfect sense. So yeah, when you
realise that and you realise that this world is much more special and
you are much more special, then yeah, it makes a huge
psychological impact, absolutely. Some have referred to the Flat Earth as
a post-truth landscape and whilst this may be meant mockingly, it also reveals a very present need
for finding common ground in the face of irreconcilable
differences. If we’re to address the broader
polarisation of society, attempting to understand,
empathise and build trust, are surely important tools to use whatever the shape of your world.

Glenn Chapman


  1. If you like this, Richard has a new video out about America's emotional support animal epidemic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJLRkZzKbM

  2. The scale of the Earth to a human:
    Every logical fact:
    Attraction of the Earth:
    Am I a joke to you

  3. Christian Scientology is the reason why we have uneducated flat earthers LoL 😁 😁

  4. Hmm…….? Round Earthers? ? They sure pack some Flat Earth modelling on TV Computer games……Gamers will acknowledge that! And becoming more real as the Billionaire designers are developing “More Flat packed Multi Dimensional Realism Into “Flat packed Advanced holographic Flat screen Quantum Televisions!” How many of these flat packs of “Advanced packages can be stacked one on top of each other?” wavelengths project for billions of light years….flat…otherwise you could not see the galaxies 14.5,000,000,000 light years away…..Now come on Now! Something very strange is going on…..But what? Now perhaps this will be how science has to progress in the “Futures?” Asking “How Do trillions of Flat wavelengths give the illusion of not being flat? THEN Along came Earth 4.5,000,000,000 ago as the Number One Gamers Game!?…Now that will be Some Quantum Computer Game!…..But of course that is impossible???!! How many Quantum Flat screen computer video games can be put into a Container on a Container Ship….Full Of Containers Of Flat screen Televisions With Connectivity Potential? Each container is a Black Box called a “Quantum Computer.?” And Shipped To Earth….? Nope I suppose that is impossible as well? IS IT?

  5. All you ppl with your ridiculous comments who do nothing but put down what someone believes is hardly proof that what you believe is truth Fact is you can’t prove your Ball theory other than what other very questionable ppl tell you.

  6. I've spent last 15 years lookig for true / I was having the middle crisis about this time / there is not space / —- I just I feel sorry for the people that lose so much time of his life with that matter.

  7. why do people have to make a dramatic big deal of Earth one of our best most best most goldilock zone making a big problem because they think that the Earth is flat when actually it's round if you think what about gravity gravity gravity think about gravity huh

  8. 10 points for your ex-wife she saw your level of crazy first 😂😂😂😂

  9. Can someone PLEASE GIVE ME !!!!! one FACT, of "OUR", SPHERE/BALL "earth". anyone got a fact Jack about the sphere ball GLOBE ??????? hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

  10. The Government has told us many lies and still lies to us even today, but its completely beyond me why they would lie about the Earth being a globe instead of being flat?

  11. Used to laugh at this idea of flat earth before I knew anything about it. Though it makes perfect sense, and actually the globe model is the one that is ridiculous. You are insane for persisting in the heliocentric lie.

  12. If the earth is flat why wont people fall of to space if theres a earth quake and if the earth is flat that means the core is flat which makes increasing temputers to wipe out humans

  13. How is exposing EricHolder's SandyhookHoax "Dangerous" ? LOL, you lost any attempt of credibility, you tabloid Joke.

  14. 3:52–3:56 Dave's ex-wife was possibly on to something. Dave sounds quite loony. Maybe that's why she's his "ex" wife.

  15. Casting aside 2500 years of science means nothing… Earlier this year, NASA has found out that the moon is within Earth’s atmosphere. How long have we been taught that it wasn’t?

    Don’t claim things unless you yourself have proof. Any expert can tell you something, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t lying and could be unaware that they’re wrong.

  16. 🛑🛑Come and debate this subject every day on the Nathan Oakley 1980 flat earth debate.. have your say on the nature of the Earth.. NathanOakley1980🛑🛑

  17. so are we floating in a vast space of nothingness thousands of miles an hour on a beach-ball?

  18. SO EXCITING! I just LOVE pancakes, my lifelong dream has been to live on a floating FRISBEE, can't wait for the Easter bunny next spring & just last week one of those doggone leprechauns stole ALL of my gold coins!

  19. Flat earthers numbers growing??? More people voted for trump.weve seen where the u.s is today

  20. Columbus sailed off into space and discovered the moon.. It's not well documented, but it's real like flat earth… LMFAO!!!!

  21. Am I the only one who would not trip on a treadmill that's been cutoff at 1mph.

  22. Rigid body rotation disproves the globe earth model. I wonder why the mainstream media never covers this disproof???

  23. 1. Surely gravity would pull all the water to the centre of the disc.
    2, why is there no photos of the edge.
    3. Why is the distance around Antarctica so much less in real life than shown on a disc?
    4. Why is there a high tide on the opposite site of the planet, wouldn’t happen on a disc.
    5, two sticks + protractor a1000 miles apart can prove earth is round. Explain why maths on a disc is wrong.

    These people need help

  24. Just look at the video's of the sun never setting in summer time in the north and another thing geometry doesn't work on a flat head/plane.

  25. I could tell a lot of people don’t understand the concept of surface area

  26. big ups "ERF" is FLAT.. WHERE IS THE

  27. As soon as you have a van driving around with your nonsense plastered all over it, the kook factor goes to 10. It’s like a car I saw years ago that had written on it: ‘Help us welcome space aliens.’

  28. Never watch the first video you see on YouTube. This is the psy-op video used to deter you from this topic. These people are basically paid actors to discredit this topic so you stop looking. Classic misdirection. Buts really it's flat and you once you realize when this lie started. It's easy to unfold… Operation Fishbowl 🔍👀

  29. Bolivian salt flat is 127km wide. It's missing 5000ft + of curvature. The tallest building in the world is 2200ft high. Earth's flat cause there's more salt flats in the world.

  30. This explains we are still far behind simple as that

    And specially AMERICANS should be careful on what they do because it impacts the entire world because people wants to follow you guys

    Not saying they follow everything you do but it does impact a lot on rest of the world

  31. ‘All balls must go down like footballs do’, does this mean there are countless planets (that are observable spheres) scattered across the floor of the universe? These people are funny.
    Besides a camper van or two on tour, flat earth interest has dropped massively, the guardian is trying to stir interest.

  32. If the earth was flat it would always face the sun, no night. Why does half the world get dark.What keeps the water in the ocean, exploring in space proves a round earth.

  33. More like 2500 years of INDOCTRINATION and SECRET SOCIETY LIES … IT IS FLAT … and it is ALL THERE IS!!!

  34. And before i forget someone f***ng explain how it is possible for earth's atmosphere to exist next to a vacuum, i want the freaking truth, anybody?

  35. Sorry, it just so funny to listen flat earthers explain earth is flat

  36. 2500 yrs of science? Where's the prove for that? That's a fabricated lie The Guardian. Let's debate not ridicule.

  37. 11:38 "I was put in special schools, because I had a Genious IQ, which… whatever."
    Oh no please continue! "Which…" should convince me the world is flat?

  38. Things you always hear from flatdumbers: "So i went home and did my onw research on google and youtube videos, and concluded earth is flat".
    Things you never heard: "So I questioned the actual thing, went to an university, got a major in any science field and concluded earth is flat".

    I wonder if people who created the internet believed this kind of stupidity would be shared and called ~science debate~ in 2019.

  39. It shows how some don’t get it…

    What if I told you Africa is bigger than the US

  40. The title should be "Meet the uneducated bimbos who snorted crayon dust when they were younger".

  41. Check out "quotes that prove we've all been lied to" on the "JERANISM" channel. "Science" over time became a cult, and you're all in it!

  42. The universe is actually flat and sits on the back of a turtle – when the turtle gets tired four elephants take over.

  43. If we can really understand the problem, the answer will come out of it, because the answer is not separate from the problem.

    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  44. I don’t know what shape the earth is I haven’t seen it so it could be flat or it could be round. My question is why would they spend millions even billions of dollars to cover this up or tell a lie what would be the purpose in doing so??? That what flat earth people never talk about. Why why would they do that what does it matter who is it hurting saying the earth is round I don’t get it and honestly people need to start worrying about what we are doing to the earth instead of focusing on what shape it is. Seems like a waste of time to me honestly, you are going through an awful lot of trouble saying this is like this and that is like that with no real proof none of you will actually see the earth so chill out. There are real problems in/on earth to tackle like climate change. Tackle that first otherwise there will be no earth here flat or round to argue about what shape it is.

  45. America: Most powerful country in the world
    Also America: Most stupidest country in the world

  46. exactly! Why lie!? That question itself should cause a ding in your head and if it doesn't, you're beyond help! Lol

  47. 2500 years? Copernicus didn’t come up with the globe ball theory until the 1500’s. All 5 main religions believed in a flat earth until Copernicus. Questioning things are human nature. Indoctrination starts at early childhood. Your ego is keeping you from the truth.

  48. Anyone who goes in with an open mind and looking for truth for real truth in their heart and in this world and I think we've all started out trying to debunk Flat Earth and the more research you do you find out that you've been lied to and the facts evidence and Real science show that the Earth is not heliocentric!

  49. The reality is that nobody knows if the earth is flat or round. The people in this video are 10x smarter than everyone else because they actually question things. If you're somebody that just believes what's in your textbook, you barely understand the world. If you look at doctor strange, (marvel) he thought he knew everything until he discovered the truth. Nobody knows what happens after we die. There are people on this earth that perform real magic. Until we can understand these things: everyone is stupid. Stop thinking you're smart because you got an A in biology or whatever. You don't have a clue about what's really happening. The only time you will really understand is when you die.

  50. Quick note: The person who mentions anything about his IQ is ironically dumber than the avg Human being


  52. Imagine building a rocket ship and sending it to space just to still hear about people believing the earth is flat

  53. The Earth is not flat BUT it is much bigger than what we are taught. That's why the descent towards the horizon is much slower and much shallower than the expected results.And, there are big parts of land and separated seas and oceans that we have just not been taught. We, the earth as we know it is isolated in its own pond


    1. Observe ye everything that takes place in the heaven, how they do not change their orbits, ⌈and⌉ the luminaries which are in the heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order.

  55. To Win an argument against an intelligent person is tough ! To Win an argument against a Stupid person is Impossible !!

  56. why in the round world lol are we still arguing about this in 2019 when bob himself proved the 15 degree per hour drift TWICE!!! This should be a done deal what am i missing

  57. We are 100% living inside the firmament of the Flat Earth and the fact is Earth is dry land, not a goddamn globe

  58. The tour was so successful, that several people turned up at the final gathering.

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